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	<title>Comments on: Middle East Milestones: The Fourth Crusade</title>
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		<title>By: Scott Powell</title>
		<link>http://powellhistory.wordpress.com/2007/11/08/middle-east-milestones-the-fourth-crusade/#comment-385</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's no question that the Europeans of the time were guided by the worst elements within their culture, but it is also true to say that a positive kernel remained in Western culture, which was shortly to be rekindled and gradually lead to the Renaissance.  The events of this time need to be seen in the context of all prior, concurrent, and later developments.

The Muslim Golden Age you are referring to was ending around the time when the Crusades started. The Muslims philosopher Al-Ghazali was refuting the Aristotelian tradition in Islam, and the Turks were destroying the political tolerance that previously characterized the Muslim world.  It is true to say that the Muslims had been more Western than the West for a while--I would rather have lived in Baghdad in the year 800 than anywhere else at the time!--but it was temporary blip, which they have not duplicated it in all subsequent history, while the West has been consistently progressive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no question that the Europeans of the time were guided by the worst elements within their culture, but it is also true to say that a positive kernel remained in Western culture, which was shortly to be rekindled and gradually lead to the Renaissance.  The events of this time need to be seen in the context of all prior, concurrent, and later developments.</p>
<p>The Muslim Golden Age you are referring to was ending around the time when the Crusades started. The Muslims philosopher Al-Ghazali was refuting the Aristotelian tradition in Islam, and the Turks were destroying the political tolerance that previously characterized the Muslim world.  It is true to say that the Muslims had been more Western than the West for a while&#8211;I would rather have lived in Baghdad in the year 800 than anywhere else at the time!&#8211;but it was temporary blip, which they have not duplicated it in all subsequent history, while the West has been consistently progressive.</p>
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		<title>By: Apollo</title>
		<link>http://powellhistory.wordpress.com/2007/11/08/middle-east-milestones-the-fourth-crusade/#comment-381</link>
		<dc:creator>Apollo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it even right to call Europe in the dark and middle ages western? Wasnt the Arab world more westernized? I've read books on the crusade and I have always been surprised at how savage and backwards the Europeans were. The Arabs even though they were also religious seem way more civilizeds to say the LEAST!.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it even right to call Europe in the dark and middle ages western? Wasnt the Arab world more westernized? I&#8217;ve read books on the crusade and I have always been surprised at how savage and backwards the Europeans were. The Arabs even though they were also religious seem way more civilizeds to say the LEAST!.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Powell</title>
		<link>http://powellhistory.wordpress.com/2007/11/08/middle-east-milestones-the-fourth-crusade/#comment-377</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Burgess:

Thanks for your thoughts. 

There's no question that the West--especially back during the Middle Ages--has always suffered from contradictions in its culture, and these contradictions definitely complicate things.  

Still, I would say that at this time Europe's leaders, including  its feudal lords, could and should have completely ignored the Muslims and instead focussed on strengthening the central authority in their kingdoms, as a necessary step towards instituting the rule of law.  If Germany's kings, for instance, had not wasted their efforts abroad, they *might* have strengthened their kingdom, and thus avoided drawing out the anarchy of feudalism there.  

The Crusades are definitely an example of "the West" getting entangled in a relationship with the Middle East that  distracted it from exploring options in its true self-interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Burgess:</p>
<p>Thanks for your thoughts. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s no question that the West&#8211;especially back during the Middle Ages&#8211;has always suffered from contradictions in its culture, and these contradictions definitely complicate things.  </p>
<p>Still, I would say that at this time Europe&#8217;s leaders, including  its feudal lords, could and should have completely ignored the Muslims and instead focussed on strengthening the central authority in their kingdoms, as a necessary step towards instituting the rule of law.  If Germany&#8217;s kings, for instance, had not wasted their efforts abroad, they *might* have strengthened their kingdom, and thus avoided drawing out the anarchy of feudalism there.  </p>
<p>The Crusades are definitely an example of &#8220;the West&#8221; getting entangled in a relationship with the Middle East that  distracted it from exploring options in its true self-interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Burgess Laughlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burgess Laughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Islamist Entanglement series is intriguing. I look forward to someday taking the course. I have heard nothing but good word about the Powell lectures presented so far.

I would suggest that one of the most important elements of such a study, at least when done on one's own, is distinguishing the following terms/ideas (all used in the post above): "The West"; "Western civilization"; "Western Europe"; "European civilization"; and "the most progressive elements &lt;i&gt;in&lt;/i&gt; Western civilization" (emphasis added).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Islamist Entanglement series is intriguing. I look forward to someday taking the course. I have heard nothing but good word about the Powell lectures presented so far.</p>
<p>I would suggest that one of the most important elements of such a study, at least when done on one&#8217;s own, is distinguishing the following terms/ideas (all used in the post above): &#8220;The West&#8221;; &#8220;Western civilization&#8221;; &#8220;Western Europe&#8221;; &#8220;European civilization&#8221;; and &#8220;the most progressive elements <i>in</i> Western civilization&#8221; (emphasis added).</p>
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